Dive into the depths of the Q4 2023 Digital Trust & Safety Index, unlocking the latest dispute data, consumer insights, and emerging trends.

Watch the webinar to hear Sift Trust and Safety Architect Rebecca Alter, and Charlotte Jarrad, Sift Product Marketing Manager discuss the complexities of the current dispute landscape. Gain valuable insights into strategic approaches for risk mitigation, combating first-party fraud, and preparing for the upcoming 2024 chargeback season.

Insights into the current dispute landscape

Gain a deep understanding of the current dispute landscape, navigating true fraud, first-party fraud, and merchant error for proactive dispute management.

Consumer data and insights

Understand consumer insights to uncover the motivations behind first-party fraud and identify emerging trends.

Preparing for chargeback season

Prepare the chargeback season with strategic tips, reducing chargebacks and leveraging tools for effective dispute resolution.

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All right, we’re about 1 minute past the top of the hour. Charlotte, do you want
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to go ahead and um we can get started?
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>> Yeah, let’s do it. Um okay, so hello everyone. Thank you so much for joining
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us in this um SIFT webinar. Today we’re going to be talking about the 101, the
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basics of how to think about defending your business against first party fraud.
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Um we have some kind of general best practices and gotchas that we want to
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share with you. Um there’s a lot to cover in the world of chargebacks and
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SIFT um has a wealth of knowledge and uh assets and materials for you to dive
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into if you have kind of deeper more specific questions and we and you know
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our sales team and customer support team are more than happy to direct you to
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those. Um to introduce ourselves my name is Charlotte Gerard. I’m a product
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marketing manager here. Um, and I look at our accountbased fraud products as
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well as our chargeback management product.
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Um, and my name is Rebecca Alter. I’m a trust and safety architect here at SIFT.
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Prior to Sift, I spent a little over a decade working at various fintech
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companies thinking about how to build out um, trust and safety teams and
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programs. So, excited to talk about first-party fraud with you all here
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today and and how you can defend against those disputes when and if your business
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gets them. All right. Um, so what we’re going to
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cover, what is firstparty fraud? Um, and then again the basics around how to
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protect your business uh from this type of fraud. And we will have time at the
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end uh for your questions and some discussion. So if you have anything then
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by all means put it into the chat or keep it ready for um that last 10 to 15
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minutes.
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>> Yeah. So just to give you a bit of precursor on who Sift is. Um so Sift was
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recently named a leader um by Forester Wave in the digital trusted and safety
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space. What that means is that we help businesses like Door Dash um Yelp and
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Wayfair protect um their businesses from bad transactions or or bad activity
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while also partnering with them to help grow their revenue. Um, so yeah, we’re
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excited to help merchants protect themselves against bad actions and the
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ever evolving world of fraud. As I’m sure everyone here is paying attention
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to the headlines about AI types of fraud that are emerging, we’re working hard
2:23
here as if to stay ahead of that and figure out how to evolve our solutions
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for that. Okay, so what is first party fraud? Um,
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it’s important to name up front that there are a lot of names for this type
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of fraud. Here we’re using firstparty fraud. That seems to be the most common
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um industry name that we come across at CIF. So that’s what we’re going with.
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Also known though as friendly fraud, chargebacks, disputes among other
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references. Um at its simplest, we define a chargeback as the process when
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a consumer contacts their bank to dispute a charge on their bill or
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statement and request a refund. The bank then reviews that transaction and
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typically issues a provisional credit. Um there are actually three different
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types of firstparty fraud. Um we describe these as innocent or accidental
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friendly fraud first party fraud. So this is when someone just sees an
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unfamiliar charge on their credit card and genuinely think that it’s fraud. Um
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the second is what we call opportunistic uh first party fraud. So the end user,
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the consumer doesn’t actually initially intend to commit fraud, but maybe after
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missing a refund window or um a free trial cancellation opportunity, they
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charge it back just to see if they can get that money back. And then the third
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is malicious or intentional first party fraud. So this is when the end user,
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that consumer knows they will commit fraud at the time that they make the
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initial purpose uh sorry purchase. Important to call out that um this is
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still different from what we refer to as true fraud which is transactionbased
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um using stolen or someone else’s credentials or credit cards whereas
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first party fraud is named as such because you are using your own
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credentials your own uh means to commit this fraud.
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Yeah. So how big is this problem? Um so we know or we’ve estimated that by the
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end of 2023 there’ll be a hundred billion dollars in total chargeback
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losses for um US uh merchants and um we know that um it’s you know different
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percentages estimate between 50 to 80% of those chargeback losses are actually
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first party fraud and not true fraud. So it’s a big piece of the pie when it
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comes to finances. Um, and we’ve recently just conducted a survey too
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where we talked to consumers about this type of behavior. What we found is that
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26% of consumers have admitted to committing first-party fraud themselves.
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Um, and this goes back to our previous question. Um, what was the answer? Do we
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think that Gen Z was most likely to commit first party fraud, Charlotte?
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Yeah.
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>> Yeah. Looks like most folks on this call believe that Gen Z are the main uh I
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shouldn’t say culprits if they’re admitting to first party fraud, right?
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They’re just honest. But they have informed us that 42% of Gen Z uh of
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committing first-party fraud. And it’s what’s interesting here is that it’s
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pretty staggering increase from their millennial counterparts at 22%. So we
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know that this is a growing problem for businesses and it’s only going to
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increase as um you know more of the Gen Z market um makes up consumer spending
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habits. So um you can read more about that in
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our latest digital trust and safety index report um where we detail this
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behavior and give some other interesting insights into how consumers are engaging
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um with various businesses across the e-commerce platforms.
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So what are you going to do about this? This is such a challenging issue. You
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know, I I’ve definitely bought thousands of disputes on my own days and um it’s
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so frustrating for merchants because you’re out a legitimate sale. So, you’re
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out the cost of that. You get charged a penalty, you know, somewhere between $15
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to $30 from the networks for receiving a chargeback and then you have the cost of
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actually um going ahead and you know, disputing that chargeback or working to
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it. So you really, you know, get out your time, your resources, um you get
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charged an additional fee and so it’s a pretty challenging process. So how do
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you proactively prevent or set up your online business so that you um are less
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prone to receiving this type of chargeback? So the first one, so
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Charlotte spoke earlier about um accidental firstparty misuse. So, the
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best way that I tell merchants to protect themselves against that type of
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abuse is just make sure that there’s clear billing descriptors on statements
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so that um we as consumers don’t accidentally
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go ahead and deceit something um even though it was a legitimate charge or
7:04
transaction. So, really make sure that you have those clear billing
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descriptors. The other thing is make sure that you have really clear uh
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policies for your customers and also make sure that you follow those Visa
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guidelines for where you put your refund policies and your checkout flows. So,
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you want to make sure that you clearly state your refund policies and that the
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end consumer accepts those refund policies by clicking it at the checkout.
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Um, it’s important that you have that refund policy clearly posted at checkout
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and have the consumer accept it so that if you were to get a charge back, you
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can present that as evidence to Visa to say that, hey, this end user actually
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clearly saw my refund policies. They’re in breach of that. They’ve accepted
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that. So, that’s going to help you win that dispute later down the line. And
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the other thing is just to make it really easy for your customer to contact
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you. So make um it really easy for them to get in charge with you or get in
7:54
touch with you if there’s any issues with the service or the merchants that
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they received. Um and then again you want to store that communication that
8:02
you have had with the end consumer if there is any issues again so that you
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can use that as evidence to submit um uh in your dispute. So uh different
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networks will look to see like hey I’ve actually communicated with this
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customer. We’ve worked out the issues here. you can see our communication.
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They’ll take that into account when they’re deciding the final decision on
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these chargebacks. So, these are just, you know, different tips or tricks that
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you can do in your e-commerce journey to go ahead and um prevent these disputes
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from occurring.
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>> Yeah. Um so where that’s the proactive kind of CA to use a colloquialism like
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that for what you can do about chargebacks then you also as a business
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obviously have to accept the reality that you will have chargebacks and you
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do need to have an understanding um of how they work and what your
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opportunities are to address them so that it doesn’t hinder your growth
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goals. Um, so and also an important point there is to know that some of your
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chargebacks will actually be legitimate transactions that are worth fighting in
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the chargeback process again in order for your business to retain as much
9:07
revenue as possible. So um we thought it would be helpful uh to go over what we
9:15
understand as the three key stages of the chargeback life cycle. And we see
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these stages as the three key opportunities to retain your revenue.
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There are actually a ton of stages in the life ch uh chargeback life cycle and
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they can take a really squiggly um sequence of events within them. But to
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simplify it, this is a graphic that we use internally uh for folks coming on to
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CIF to just lay it out as simply as we can. Um so we’re going to walk through
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these. Uh the first stage we call the inquiry stage and this is an opportunity
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to help merchants deflect disputes instead of allowing them to officially
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be filed as an illegitimate transaction as a dispute. Um simply it’s uh the
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sharing of data like enhanced information about the transaction um
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between the merchant and the consumer’s issuing bank with the hope with the goal
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that in 1 second 2 seconds uh the consumer and their bank is satisfied
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that this was actually a legitimate transaction.
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The second stage we call the alert stage. Um,
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and this is an opportunity to help merchants accomplish really one of two
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outcomes. One, prevent disputes from being officially filed as an
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illegitimate transaction um by just refunding the purchase.
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Really just kind of throwing your hands up and saying not worth me fighting. I
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would rather um just take the hit. Um, and they can also cancel future billing.
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The second thing that you can choose to do um with an alert is just allow it to
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proceed to the dispute stage. If you as the merchant believe that it’s worth
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fighting, you have a good chance of fighting it. Um whereas inquiries are
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pretty cheap and are super quick cost-effective ways of helping keep your
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uh dispute volume down, alerts are a little bit more expensive, they do come
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with a fee. So as a business you do have to do that um cost analysis to make sure
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that you know these tools are worth it to implement in your overall chargeback
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management strategy. Um the third stage is obviously the meatiest where we spend
11:32
most of our time. It’s the dispute stage. Um and this is your opportunity
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to recover your revenue by fighting the chargeback by making what we call a
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response also referred to as a representment or case. Um, and what it
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really is and historically has been is just a document, a collection of
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evidence um, put together in a certain way to convince the consumer’s issuing
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bank that the transaction was legitimate and therefore the merchant should be
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allowed to keep their revenue. Um, we do want to give a quick note on uh the
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stages that come after this known as pre-arbitration and arbitration.
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Rebecca, I think you were gonna speak on that.
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>> Yeah. Um, so those are two other steps that can happen after the initial
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decision on a dispute is decided. We’re not going to go into the details of
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those today. Um, but we do have resources on our SIFT website if you
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want to learn about how you can um, engage with the pre-arbitration
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arbitration process. Um, I just note that those process vary between payment
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types um, and networks. And so you’re going to find different rules and
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regulations um, depending upon what type of payment was actually um, transacted.
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But it’s also good information for you to know that like that final decision,
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that initial decision isn’t it doesn’t have to be the final decision. And
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that’s really important, especially if you’re having a large ticket item or
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sale um that you can go ahead that might be worth it to your business to continue
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to to fight through that process um with the networks themselves. Sure.
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>> So, we’re going to talk a little bit more about the dispute um journey and
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what you need to do or what the basic steps you need to have in order to um
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challenge disputes and to fight these legitimate transa or to fight these
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chargebacks that come through to your business when it was actually a
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legitimate charge. Um and so I also just want to make a point you can do all
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these steps um through different processes and different procedures. You
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can do it with just one individual clusting this information or you can
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scale up your operations. Um again I I used to be you know I worked with the
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chargeback team at Square. So I’ve personally bought thousands of
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chargebacks here. I can talk a lot about them. Um and so even that journey at
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Square we really the how we challenge disputes. It was an interesting journey
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from you know doing it manually to automating it and building out APIs. So
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um but the core basics and the principles are really still there no
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mattering the tools that you’re using. So the first one is it’s really
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important that you go ahead and you gather the data especially um with Visa
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releasing the compelling um evidence 3 3.0 to make it uh better for merchants
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to challenge um transactions from a card holder. So you want to make sure you
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have their IP address, their device information. You also um want to get
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information on your processor, the amount, uh the chargeback, if there was
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an as match when you did this, the billing information, all of that data
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that you have on your users that are coming to your site, you want to go
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ahead and copy that. Sometimes it can be challenging because it can happen from a
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lot of different places, right? So maybe that’s a lot of copy and pasting, a lot
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of manual work for you to really get all these pieces of information. You may be
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further along your chargeback journey and have a single location to do this or
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you could be using a thirdparty tool that helps you get this information
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automatically into your system as well. Um the next thing that you really want
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to do is you want to understand the rules. As I mentioned with the
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pre-arbitration and arbitration process, those rules do vary depending upon the
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payment method or the network. And so it’s really important that you
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understand um what are Visa’s guidelines? What are Mastercards? We all
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know the American Express process is extremely different than the Visa
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process. What does that look like? And I think it’s getting more and more complex
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as more consumers want to have different payment methods at checkouts. So, you
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know, what’s the buy now pay later chargeback process looks like? If you’re
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going international, what’s the different currencies exchange and things
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like that. So, there’s a lot of regulation rules for you to know and
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understand here. Um, I think what’s nice about that though is that there are
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rules and so it’s accessible for you to read them and understand them.
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>> Um, and then also really look at the reason code. So, really address why that
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card holder has claimed um that they deserve the charge back, whether it’s
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unauthorized or merchandise not as received. Really make sure that you’re
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addressing the specific claims that the card holder has made. Once you have your
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data and you understand what the card holder is claiming happened, um that’s
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when you can go ahead and build your response. So, you want to make sure that
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all that evidence that you’ve collected further in the journey that you go ahead
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and store that whether that be a proof of delivery um making sure that the
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address matches the information. Um, I talked to one of our uh individuals here
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at Sift who who works disputes as well and they actually said that in one of
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their cases this individual was claiming that they didn’t um receive the good or
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like that was not their actual shipping address, but then they found that
16:20
individual on LinkedIn who worked at the business where the item was delivered to
16:25
the business. And so, um, if you can connect that in consumer to that
16:29
location somehow, that’s some good research as well. Um, and then again
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remember that customer communication that you were keeping in the journey.
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It’s also good to say that here. I found that if you tell the networks like,
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“Hey, I’ve actually engaged with this um, consumer. We’ve worked out an issue.
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You can see our conversation here.” They’re also willing to look at that
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information. Um, and then there’s lots of different ways to submit the
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response, right? Again, it’s a really complex payments network and each
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payment system has a different way to submit them. um whether that be you know
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I I used to also work in uh the legal field and sometimes if you just
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paperclipip something the wrong way the courts will kick it out irrespective of
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what the document says and some of submitting disputes can be the same way.
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So it’s also really important that you understand how and what you’re
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submitting um and to who within this process as well.
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>> Great. Thanks Rebecca. Um, so then we have some key takeaways around uh
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dispute response best practices. And I guess to your point that you made
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Rebecca, the tools and the sophistication around how to accomplish
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this task have changed over time. Thank God. Um, but there are some principles
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that still remain the same. So I’m going to cover up on them. And Rebecca, if you
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have anything you want to add color to, please jump in. Um, so we started off by
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saying get to the point. I think a lot of folks when they start out uh
17:54
responding to chargebacks just throw everything in the kitchen sink and think
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more information is better and that is actually unfortunately not the case.
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It’s much better to stick to the facts around the original stale and really
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edit yourself. You got to think that the person on the other end that is making
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the final decision here is probably going through a lot uh of these
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representments. So anything that can make their job easier by organizing the
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information while highlighting or bolding or you know as the industry
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moves more and more towards categorized evidence that is digitally being
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delivered to specific endpoints on their system um there’s a lot to account for
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so just spending a bit of time up front in investing like understanding
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what is actually relevant here will go a long way. Um,
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>> yeah, I’ll just add to that. I I remember speaking once to uh an
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individual who worked at Visa who actually reviewed dispute responses from
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merchants and they really emphasized like get to the point. So, you know,
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they have their own quotas that they need to fulfill and short amount of
18:59
times to read things. So, again, that gets back to really understand their
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reason code and then making sure that you’re giving the right evidence to
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disclaim whatever that card holder said via the reason code um is is really
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important there. Yeah. Um, so then our second uh kind of
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bullet here with prioritize proof, it’s definitely connected to the first, but
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we wanted to unpack it a little bit. Um, you do want to be strategic about what
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information, including proof, um, looks like. And again, it’s worth the
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investment of time and I guess campaigning in your company for the
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resources necessary to provide this kind of proof. uh for example, you know,
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bolstering your case with added details like phone logs, email correspondences
19:44
requires some area of your uh organization to store that information
19:49
appropriately. Um LinkedIn profiles, proof of service or delivery uh do you
19:55
know are there screenshots available and how uh terms of service that those
20:00
upfront proactive um measures that Rebecca talked about earlier. just
20:04
really thinking through like what are the priorities of proof that will help
20:09
us um win in this area and being set up from a technology and an organization uh
20:15
point of view goes a long way.
20:18
>> Yeah, I um two things to add with the prioritization of proof here. I just
20:22
wanted to um read out a comment because I think this is a really good uh tip
20:26
that a guest has said. So, if a customer claims that they did not receive and the
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um the delivery service has a photo of the delivery, you can ask the customer
20:35
if they recognize the delivery area. If they say no, you can match the um POD
20:40
photo with the Google bin Zillow. So, that was like another good tip there. Um
20:45
another interesting story that we had about prioritizing proof that we I also
20:49
talked from a current Sift employee who does disputes is that um someone was
20:53
outside of their refund window. Um and so since they didn’t get the refund,
20:57
they then went through the chargeback process and um a they had kept that
21:01
correspondence where they had clearly communicated to the end card holder that
21:04
they’re outside the refund window. And so then actually what this card holder
21:08
had done is they had gotten a refund the year prior. So they took the refund
21:12
information and actually altered that image to now match this new transaction
21:17
to just say that they had actually like the company had said that they did get
21:22
the refund. And here’s the proof of the company saying that, but they just
21:25
changed the information to match their current purchase, not their historical
21:29
purchase. But luckily, um, our internal city was able to get that historical
21:34
information and validate and prove that the card holder was actually had
21:39
manipulated documentation. Um, so that’s another way where you can think about
21:43
proof as well. And again, I think what’s interesting about scaling and your
21:46
resources, um, you know, it’s all cost of cost benefit analysis, like where
21:50
should we challenge it? When should we fight it? Like, you know, the higher
21:53
good items. I definitely think it’s worth it to go and really do your
21:57
investigation to truly try to get those funds back and then also um to go
22:01
through that the arbitration and pre-arbitration process. Um, I know I’ve
22:04
talked to other customers who or another colleague of mine who, you know, work
22:08
for a luxury retailer and they went back, you know, I think three or four
22:12
times over months working um with American Express to end up getting the
22:16
full charge for a luxury item that they purchased.
22:22
>> Thanks, Rebecca. Um so the last bullet here uh was really around the the piece
22:28
of planning preparing for how you’re going to uh handle this type of fraud as
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you grow. Um which we’ve touched on quite a bit but just to underline it as
22:38
a point whereas the chargeback space you know um historically has even sat with
22:44
the fax world where a lot of banks require you some still do to fax in your
22:51
representment. Um, and there’s lots of different ways to, you know, approach
22:55
the kind of optimization and efficiency of this work. Um, it’s it’s just worth
23:02
planning and preparing proactively as much as you can around your business
23:06
goals. Um, like I said, the industry is moving towards a more dynamic
23:11
categorized evidence digital delivery to certain end points. So, um using that to
23:16
your advantage. Uh educating your internal co-workers, your peers, your um
23:21
higherups about how you can meet those changes and uh be more efficient with
23:27
the tools that you have or ones that you’re willing to invest in make a big
23:31
difference.
23:33
>> Yeah, it’s can it can be quite a time consuming process as well. Um so really
23:38
investing in tools as your business scales is going to be really important.
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Um, and we know like it’s just opportunity for you to get revenue that
23:47
you deserve as a merchant. So, it’s also a really um I always, you know, when
23:52
I’ve worked in this space, it was nice because I had a really strong ROI,
23:55
right? We were getting back or we were increasing our win rates by putting in
23:58
the due diligence to advocate for ourselves through this process. And so
24:02
really understanding the rules um advocating for merchants is is really
24:06
important if if these are legitimate transactions and and not true fraud
24:10
that’s committed on the system as well. Okay, so question time. Um we have five
24:19
minutes here. Let’s see.
24:23
Someone asked, “If someone purchases a good from me and immediately cancels, am
24:28
I obligated to issue a refund?” I would say it depends.
24:36
Yeah. Uh I mean, going back to I guess
24:40
thinking about whether alerts as a tool, as a as a product are right for you, it
24:46
just depends what your overall goals are. uh how badly you’re being impacted
24:50
by disputes overall. Um if if this is a high ticket item, if this is happening a
24:58
lot or if this is I don’t know a longerterm customer with higher LTV. It
25:04
all of those factors go into it. But I guess um the thing to think about is
25:09
maybe at scale what kind of general rules you would want to apply. Um, I was
25:16
going to say I think I don’t think that there’s an obligation from any sort of
25:19
legal or regulatory standpoint, but I think where you would get into an issue
25:23
is you do have to keep a low chargeback rate. And so if your policies are not
25:29
aligned with your ability to keep that low chargeback rate, then you might come
25:34
into an issue later down the line because if you exceed the chargebacks
25:38
limits, then you’re going to get processed a fee um by the networks um to
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process their payments on your business. So could be a maybe not a best practice,
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but I don’t think there’s any regulatory obligations there.
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>> Okay, great. Uh, we had this question from um, Natalia Coulson with Visa. If
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the customer Natalie, sorry. Um, with Go ahead, Carol.
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>> I was just going to read it. So, if the customer cancelled within 24 hours of
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the purchase, then yes, a refund must be issued. Oh, I see.
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>> Thank you, Natalie.
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>> Okay. And then, uh, other questions. Do you have any experiences that you would
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like to share about chargebacks in the restaurant industry?
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I’m trying to think about this in we definitely see them. Um especially at my
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time at Square, a lot of restaurants use Square. Um
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>> you know, I think you know, again, it depends upon what the actual dispute is,
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but I think what was nice about some of the restaurants is that um they’re often
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card present transactions. So, it’s a different set. You can have signatures,
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you can have receipt, you can have the itemized food order. So, there’s a lot
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of um pieces of evidence that you can use to collect. If again, this is first
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party fraud, right? It’s going to be much trickier um if that individual or
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that person at the restaurant was actually using stolen credentials to to
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do that sale. That’s going to be a different issue altogether.
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>> Yeah. Um, for the folks who the person who asked this, we do have a lot of case
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studies up on our website. I can’t remember offh hand if we have a
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restaurant specific ones of chargebacks, but it’s worth checking out on our
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resources tab on the sift.com website. Um, there’ll definitely be a blog or an
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ebook or something about that space. So, I recommend checking that out. Um, let’s
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see. We got two minutes here and one final question I think from Robin. Oh
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no, then maybe there’s a couple more. Let’s see.
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>> We have a couple more. If we can’t get to them during this session, we’ll go
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ahead and and work to answer these questions offline as well. I want to be
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mindful of everybody’s time commitments, but there’s some great ones coming in.
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There’s there’s been a couple time a couple questions asked. Will this be
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available on demand? I believe yes, Charlotte, we will be going ahead and
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sending a recording of this to everybody who has registered for this um webinar.
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>> Yes, for sure. Um and it will be emailed out to you after after we end here. And
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again um from that you will be invited to make contact with your customer
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support person or your sales representative if you want to follow up
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any conversations um or access more assets.
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There’s one question here I’m going to go ahead and um answer. It said would
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you suggest blocking customers who have charged back? In our analysis we saw
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they were five times more likely to charge back again. Again, that’s a
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policy decision for you and your business. Um, certainly if you have
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individual users who are repeat offenders of um, you know, charging
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things back on your site, you’re more within your rights to block them from
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accessing your site. We also often see this not just with the charge by
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process, but repeat offenders with promo abuses as well. And so, you know, a
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tactic there would be going ahead and and blocking people from redoing the
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promos um, too. if uh you see people abusing those uh policies that you have
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on your site. But I I think though more broadly
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maintaining deny lists is a lot of work at scale and so the the better thing
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would be to you know work proactively to block those transactions before they
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happen. I just find denial lists can be um you know a little bit hard to manage
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and sometimes you end up blocking the wrong customer. Uh, I have my own
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escalations about that and it comes back. So, I I would be
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careful about how long of a list that gets for you and your business to
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maintain. Hey. All right. Well, thanks everyone.
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We’re going to wrap up here since we’re at time. Um, this is just a recap uh of
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what you can do after this. So, yes, please do reply to the webinar follow-up
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email if you would like to request um more information or a further
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conversation. We do also have um opportunities to go through actual
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response examples uh with some of our in-house experts to just talk through um
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your responses, your uh dispute representments if you’re looking for
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that kind of hands-on advice. Um so reply with your uh interest in that if
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that sounds good to you. And then again, uh, if you’re interested in the, um, the
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survey results from our digital trust and safety index around chargebacks, you
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can find that on the website under the resources tab. And again, if you poke
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around on that tab, there are lots of resources that get into pretty
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nitty-gritty details about best practices when handling chargeback. So,
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by all means, use the things we make.
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>> It’s it’s complicated and there’s a lot of rules, a lot of different systems.
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So, um it’s yeah, luckily it’s available though for you to understand if you do
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some research.
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>> All right. Well, thank you everyone so much for your questions and
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participation and we’ll see you at the next one.
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Right.